[Poll] Do you want 3D spotting for the Recon?

[dolphineye]

Hello guys,

There's a big debate around here about whether or not to have a 3D spotting feature for the Recon.
There are three options out there.

The first option is we do not do 3D spotting at all (current solution).
The second option consists of having a 3D spotting feature for the Recon, but as a purchasable item.
The last options consists of having 3D spotting as the default solution for the recon.

However, none of the options implies having such a feature shared with the squadmates.
Let us know if you really want it.

[Shua]

"Yes, always" for me.

[myron]

I voted no but it's a little to early for me to pronounce because I didn't played any real beta test session and I don't know this feature influence over gameplay, balance etc ...

Anyways the PC gaming deserves a realistic modern shooter so f**** the visual aids !!!! A good teamplay is just as efficient (look at Project Reality or ARMA).

[Fabiolo]

Yep for me, visual 3d spotting is like a wall hack and i don't like it at all...

Btw if everyone want it..

[dolphineye]

There are only 6 votes at the moment. It's way not enough to make any decision of any kind.

[Landsheer]

we should have it like in BF2, It was a very good system, there. The commo rose middle button spots enemies and marks them as a red dot for 15 seconds on the minimap...

Every soldier should be able to do that.


The recons binocular can be used for air support: the soldier aims at a point presses (and keeps it pressed) the left mouse button, then a 3 buttons show (like the commo rose) and the player chooses between air strike, suuport box and artillery.

[dolphineye]

If recons can call for artillery, support boxes etc. with the binoculars, it will be a bit over-powered I guess.

I think that spotting should be left for Recons only as it provides them with a specific role to play on the battelfield.

Better of giving the opportunity to everyone to mark a point with a "?" (bit like the laser thing suggested by Tibull) on the map.

[_Tibull_]

I want this

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nothing else like 3D spotting on enemies
(though the recon can keep his marking ability)

[Mr.Hankey]

Yep for me, visual 3d spotting is like a wall hack and i don't like it at all...

Btw if everyone want it..

I also share this opinion but at the same time I really love 3d spotting. In my opinion a simple combination of BC2 3d spotting and the "?" marking from BF2 would be perfect.
So in other words you can share the position you are looking at as a point of interest for other people but you can't mark and keep track of enemies directly.

[Landsheer]

yes Mr.Hankeys idea is good, we should have something like that, the ? marks the last known position of a spotted enemy. The Recon can spot a enemy directly and keeps him spotted for 15 sec, maybe also in 3d spotting like in BC2 (?)

[_Tibull_]

yes Mr.Hankeys idea is good, we should have something like that, the ? marks the last known position of a spotted enemy. The Recon can spot a enemy directly and keeps him spotted for 15 sec, maybe also in 3d spotting like in BC2 (?)

not time dependent but view dependent ... as long as he visibly sees the enemy


and it should only work if the enemy is perfectly aimed because else you could check any place by button smashing

[Cellus]

I find 3D spotting an excellent way to discourage teamwork, and to rely on gimmicky game mechanics over good gameplay.

[stealthrellik]

Any element of stealth/surprise will be completely cut out of the game, theres more negative feedback on bf3 having this as well, considering how bad of an experience it people had with it in BC2. Id honestly say the best working method of spotting would be that of Battlefield 2's. Not only did one have to spot an enemy, having to use the comm rose, but it also made the minimap an extremely useful tool in the HUD. It also encourages people to communicate with one another a bit more than just simple on screen spotting that made BC2 squads so useless.
If we were to exercise the 3d spotting we will all notice how simple and arcade this mod will end up developing to.

BUT... If this poll end ups being too close, I could see 3d spotting being added as a reward for SQUAD POINTS so it will encourage teamwork and reward for it as well.

For example, lets say 3d spotting isnt worked by a player but rather its a UAV thats ONLY FOR THAT SQUAD. This way a squad will be rewarded and encouraged to do teamwork (Revive, Individual spotting like bf2, Resupply, etc..) and only the squad leader will be able to activate it. The UAV will spot every target on the map but will only 3d spot onscreen enemies inside a radius of lets say 50 meter of a player (so ones wont be filled with little 3d icons if there were to be a full server). After the UAV has been used it will have a recharge time thats long enough so it cant be abused.

Im probably going to go off topic on this one but if this integrated into Casus Belli, a reward system would probably grow out of it. But it'd be better if nothing more helpful than little things like UAV, supply box, or a rally point would be part of the reward system. Nothing too rewarding so people wont be only concentrating on getting the awards.

There... more than just my 2 cents 

[WhiteMoon]

Voted no as 3D spot would be too arcade. The spot on the minimap is good as it is a tool you have to refer to frequently to get some informations like this one.

Also I think a spot should dissapear after a time. If the soldier spotted is moving, the spot should move too during a few seconds, after it should freeze at last position on the map (stop following the soldier), indicating a last known position, and at the end disappear (out of date information).